So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. 0. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. 7 K. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. There would be no fight. zold5 • 1 yr. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. Created by Loony_Toony. Both are in character. Oh boy, Michael wins. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. 9 years ago. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. It is as Cosmic Reign says. Jayfournines. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Max Deen. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Stalemate. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Michael Demiurgos vs Classic Beyonder. 1. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. Superhero Battle match: Beyonder versus The Presence. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Probably thanos as he seemed to. I dunno. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. 1. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). [12] He is also. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. No one is that powerful. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Khorne. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. What they say. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. ago. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Beyonder trivially. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . Khael. Vision House Of Ideas 11. Reviews: 0. Beyonder 16. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. I see no one equal to the gods of DC and Marvel: The Presence and The One Above All. Both have absolute 100% control. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. 1%. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. TOAA's weakest Avatar was defeated and absorbed by a version of Thanos in his Astral Regulator form while the Beyonder was retconned for being too powerful. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. The Classic Beyonder. The glory (Dr. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. s. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Claymore1998. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. Marvel had two God's, then changed to One Above. This. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. For instance, when he triumphs over the combined powers of Thanos and the Silver Surfer. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. Dude’s absolutely broken. Neutral Close. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. 0. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. Forum Posts. #4. Manhattan's league. both teams have omnipotent. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. Thanos absorbed LT and the universe. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Beyonder: Sonuva. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Juntai. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. The Glory: description and feats. 3. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. I think the idea. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. TOAA isn't omnipotent. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Beyonder Doom 14. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. . They are god of their own comics. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. and it can be said so is spectre. 4 years ago. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Advertisement Coins. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Ok, this is what I thought. Jayfournines. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. . And yeah he stomps. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. @Matezoide said: " One Above All celestial = Beyonder kicks his @ss One Above All god = TOAA makes Beyonder cry ". He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. . Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). 2. Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. #1 KingOfAsh. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. Yes. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. SCP 3812. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. 1. Meaning he became everything and everyone. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. No . Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Prepare for. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. and it can be said so is spectre. Hykuu. No. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. TOAA in fact survived. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Follow 77. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Red Mist vs Galactus. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. TOAA is above all. Beyonder vs The Celestials. No one can defeat that. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. 9 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. Follow 331. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. s. Loki God Of Stories 17. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. 0 coins. Follow 1. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. SCP 3812. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. 5 T. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. -5. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. . The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. @TheLegendary32 said:. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. . Beyonder is beyond the universe. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. beyonder Yep, lol. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Rorschach vs Dr. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. 9. Beyonder, if not. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. 3 years ago. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Jul 30, 2018. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Wiki Points. 567. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Forum Posts. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. 7 years ago. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. Juntai. Beyonder 16. NULL_Terrorist. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. 7 years ago. Never leave. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. 11 years ago. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. This could also be used as. TOAA is above all. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. 1. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. Minstry_of_pain. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. I see through many eyes. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Nope. Dante 1 y 7 d. Homelander has Outerversal AP. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Reply. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. 2. 4. 4 years ago. What they dream up with goes. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. Meaning he became everything and everyone. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. beyonder vs toaa. 3. Beyonder 39%. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. #3 jwwprod. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. 0. Everything that takes place is his dreams. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. . Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. 47. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. to win. Comics . Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Ahl God Of Superheroes.